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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:10:00 -
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So, the Garmur at least is yet another continuation of the lml-based absurdity that's been going on since Inferno. It's going to be a repeat of the Crow and Malediction, but even more egregious. A fast frigate that can point and spew missiles out to 36km (and then add links!) with ease is ridiculous, and pretty much the only way it could be even vaguely balanced was if it was utterly incapable of fitting a useful tank. (Which is not true of the Garmur). |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:15:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:The lock range limitation on the Garmur is very intentional. It may actually not be enough to keep it from being too powerful but it was a tradeoff that helped justify how strong the ship is otherwise.
It has the slots to overcome that lock range limitation, and even yield a rig or midslot to boost lock range, it's still going to be even more powerful than the LML-bonused interceptors, which are already just about the strongest frigates in the game right now due to the combination of speed, point range, and weapon range. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:09:00 -
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Mike Flynn wrote:
Upon inspection I would agree with you sir. However, if you look deeper at the stats you'll see that for the Garmur to mimic this behavior it will have to make some serious fitting sacrifices.
No, it really won't. It already has more grid and CPU than a crow (which is not exactly hard up for fitting), and an identical slot layout to boot. The only "fitting sacrifice" it will have to make is dropping a BCS or DC for an MAPC (if that, you might be able to skate by with an ACR). In exchange, you get 6.75 effective launchers with your favorite flavor of damage vs 6 tied to kinetic, greater speed, greater agility, longer point range, better tank, and faster missiles.
No, the Garmur is going to be the frigate to fly after Kronos. Oh well. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:07:00 -
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Quote:Can we at some point address how grossly overpowered light missiles are at applying damage at range compared to the other small lr-range weapons?
No. We will, however, double down on that design decision every expansion by adding yet more overpowered lml platforms.
Quote:Mordus ships will be available from only one station system that happens to lie squarely in Goon space.
And any belt in lowsec.
Quote:If the ship only has one soft counter out of the entire array of frigs on offer then I'd say that is indicative of a ship being clearly OP.
It won't be quite that bad - there will be a few other ships, but they'll all be specific counterfits to one specific set up, which is not really good balance.
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
481
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i love all the "it has no counter" posts when i'm pretty sure grath pointed out about 20 pages ago the obvious and common counter to these ships. ( hint: he said sensor damps)
Grath is wrong. A pair of unbonused senor damps still leave the ship plenty of safe operating room, and a dedicated sensor damp ship only counters it insofar as a rack of bonused damps counter every. Which, to be fair, they do, but that's not a peculiar weakness.
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